and you see sort of the moving parts of a variety of government, they're cooperating. >> yes. it's a three, i guess it's not branches but dod, c.i.a. command and role in the whitehouse. obviously there's a lot of turf battles there. somebody growing up being a metro reporter a lot of times you pop the hood of government and you look inside and say that's how you guys do it. >> rose: remember watergate. >> any kind of daily corruption. but it was kind of, i have to say just to look under the hood and see a v12 there let's sort of working. >> it's really admirable. >> it's really nice to know that's also a side of the story. >> kind of made you proud to be an american. >> not to say they don't do things that are really ugly and try to document. >> rose: speak to that. there was purpose in that. a lot was at stake here and things done that not necessarily americans would call, might make americans question. >> yes. it's been a dark, there should be no doubt, it's been a dark period since 9/11 and yes there's been dead case but there are also you know, i think there are mistakes m